David Moyes – The luck of the draw

They opened a new shopping centre in Liverpool recently, down by the docks. Liverpool Football Club quickly snapped up the first retail outlet as soon as it became available. Turned it into a club shop. It was lot one, so they called it ‘Liverpool One’. Everton Football Club were a little slower off the mark, but eventually took the next unit on offer, which was a couple doors down. They called it Everton Two (Liverpool 1-2 Everton). That famous Scouse wit, eh?

Actually, it sounds a lot like something City would do – witness their ‘amusing’ Carlos Tevez poster when he slunk out of MUFC and into MCFC. And there is a very real sense that David Moyes, in moving from Everton to Manchester United, is moving from a club with a city-style ‘second club in the city’ mentality, to the undisputed number one. Despite finishing above rivals Liverpool in the past two seasons, Everton remain obsessed with their rivals from across Stanley Park. Finishing above Liverpool was the main target of many of the supporters this season. And some might say for Moyes too – witness his team’s “craven capitulation” against Wigan at home in the FA Cup quarter final this year, in a competition which was surely their best chance of a trophy under Moyes.

Sir Alex Ferguson has already warned David Moyes that his biggest challenge upon taking the United reins will be getting his head around just how big United are. We’re a global ‘brand’. What we do matters outside the walls of the city. What we do matters in South Africa, in Japan, in Norway, in Mexico, in USA! USA! USA! And everywhere in between. Fans in Manchester don’t just want us to finish above Liverpool and city, we want to win trophies. We want to compete for honours on the European stage. We want the club to sign the biggest and best players. The Bales, the Ronaldos. Not, perhaps, the Baineses, the Wanyamas.

I want David Moyes to do well at United. If Fergie thinks he’s the right choice for his successor, then I’m quite happy to agree with him. For now, up to a point. You can make stats do whatever it is you want them to do, but under Moyes, Everton lost only once at Goodison Park all campaign. (United, by contrast, lost three). I’d be quite happy for him to maintain a home record like that at OT.

Another one: Everton had exactly the same number of defeats (7) as United in the past 46 league games. In that time, Chelsea’s rent boys lost 10.

But those stats disguise the fact Everton made a hell of a lot of draws: 21 in all, throughout the 2012-13 season. United have made it a habit over the past few seasons never to draw. Or hardly ever, anyway. We didn’t draw a single game at OT this season, and drew 5 away, one of which was the ridiculous, testimonial-style 5-5 against West Brom on that emotional final day. Another was against Arsenal, in the week we finally secured the title. The players seemed half-cut for the first half hour of that game – too much partying – and Arsenal battered us. Still, despite all that, United should have won the game, based on chances created.

You see, under Ferg, we’ve excelled at turning draws into wins. We’ve found that extra drive, desire, and determination to go on and win the game. Often we score late winners. In Fergie Time. We know draws are no good. A team can complete the season ‘invincible’, but, if they draw every game, they’ll go down.

On the day United collected the Premier League trophy, after a home win against Swansea, Everton were away at Liverpool. They drew 0-0. Towards the end of the match, it appeared both teams were happy to settle for a point apiece. United, under Fergie, would never settle for a draw. We would drive on for the win, at all costs. Sometimes this hurt us – remember how we chased the game at 3-1 down against city (and how city cut through our ragged back-line)? But it has been written into the DNA of the team, thanks to Fergie.

If Moyes learns one thing, he needs to learn this, and quickly. At United we won’t be satisfied with draws. We have to chase 3 points rather than 1. We have to roll the dice. It is this quality – amongst many others – that makes being a United fan so exciting. We chase games down when other teams would give up, settle.

Here’s hoping there’ll be no ‘luck of the draw’ next season. No. We need to make our own luck. Grind out those wins. And sure you can talk about comparative resources and net spend all you want, but United need to win, and win, and win.

Someone sent me a joke via text the other day: “If you kill yourself it’s called suicide. If you kill someone else it’s called homicide. If you kill thousands it’s called genocide. If you have two Premier League sides that haven’t won the league for over 20 years, it’s called Merseyside.”

You win leagues by winning matches. Sounds simple, but Moyes needs to learn that draws simply won’t cut it here. Remember that joke about the stores at the shopping centre, Dave: it wasn’t Liverpool 1-1 Everton. It was one-two.


Andrew J Kirby is the author of ‘Fergie’s Finest’, which was released this month, and by no means cashes in on Fergie’s retirement… Take a look on Amazon now. Here is the paperback version.

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  1. get ready for loads of draws defenders coming on for midfielders and 10 men back to defend corners and free kicks happy days ahead!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. Hello Andrew…..

    Seriously, I think you are worrying over nothing when it comes to Moyes taking over from SAF.
    The reason Evertonians’ season is based around finishing above Liverpool FC (LFC) is because that IS their Premiership. They (Everton) are never ever going to win a title, so the next best thing is to finish above their rivals… furthermore it must gall Everton no end that their ‘rivals’ don’t view Everton as a threat. LFC view MUFC as the ‘rivals.’… You are correct; MUFC fans don’t want to finish above LFC as a means of bragging but then finishing above LFC every season is already a given, even before the season begins…

    Yes David Moyes is coming to a ‘huge’ club. Every club’s fans say ‘We are a big club’ but they are kidding themselves. Outside of MUFC there are no ‘big’ clubs in the Premiership. Wealthy clubs and clubs with a history or a pedigree…… but they aren’t and never will be the ‘giant’ that is MUFC.
    Moyes knows exactly what is expected not only from the fans in Manchester and elsewhere globally, but from a boardroom that might have to extend OT just to make room for the trophies that `i expect to be coming along over the next 10 years…. 20 years….30 years and beyond.
    here’s a thought though….. Yes the MUFC tradition is to fight until that final whistle and turn, if needs be a draw into a win …… but what if MUFC were winning every match 3-0 at 90mins… who cares whether we score another one in added time.


  3. > David Birchall

    Hello David.
    You are confusing MUFC a ‘double winning’ team from North London. Don’t you remember the chant ….. 1 nil to the arsenal…. 1 nil to the arsenal.’
    It isn’t gonna happen….. and if it does…. 75,000 voices will soon let the manager know


  4. Some breathtaking arrogance on here, but that’s another story!

    I’m pleased that the author used the word ‘many’ when referring to Everton fans, as opposed to the hackneyed and sweeping generalisation of ‘every’ Everton fan, but I can assure you, as an Everton fan, that NONE of us are HAPPY with a draw and we CERTAINLY don’t see it as a success finishing above our neighbours.

    I wish David Moyes every success at Old Trafford, apart from when he returns to Goodison of course! It will be interesting to see how he copes with the surfeit of attacking talent at his disposal now that he doesn’t need to place players, be it defenders, midfielders OR even forwards, simply to disrupt the way opposing teams play.

    Despite initially mourning the loss of Moyes as the Everton manager, I’m genuinely looking forward to watching his progress at United. I think it’s going to be a very interesting season – how do you plug a hole the size of the chasm Fergie filled?!

    1. Hello TheTruthHurts

      Why?….Best LB?… Perhaps not even the best LB at Everton… sorry couldn’t resist.
      He is a very good LB but sorry to say…. there isn’t one Everton FC player I would want at OT (including Baines).


  5. Good points David, and Macca. Maybe I am worrying a bit too much on Moyes… And the more I hear of Mourinho, the more I’m convinced we plumped for the right ‘M’. And I truly hope we do have to extend the boardroom/ trophy cabinet…

    Talking of Everton, has anyone heard anything about who they’re bringing in to replace Moyes? I got a pretty good tip at work yesterday, on 33-1 shot Dougie Freedman (at Bolton), who I think would fit thr profile. And rumour has it Everton representatives were seen at the Reebok three times towards the end of the season. Watching Freedman. Although I can’t really see the point of watching the manager on the touchline… But this does not tally with the fact Everton apparently ‘didn’t know’ Moyes would be on his way… Mind you, his contract was up, wasn’t it?

    Really is silly season with all the managerial changes at the moment isn’t it? I heard a mad (Benitez-style) fact on the radio the other day – Brendan Rodgers-Brent is now the fifth longest serving manager in the Premier League.

    Maybe that’s why I’m worrying so much. It IS silly season and there’s no more football after the Champs League final on Saturday.

    1. Hello Andrew…

      Haven’t heard anything about new boss at Goodison and frankly not bothered….. not in a nasty way just…. when an announcement is made then i’ll comment.
      I agree with you… I don’t understand why someone would want to go and watch a manager in action…. maybe his penmanship at note taking is to be admired.
      I would take it further….. I have never understood why ‘Fergie’ ever went to watch another team play (in the context of watching an opponent not reviewing a potential player)….. as if the thought of Barnsley coming to OT in the 3rd round of the FA cup was going to have an influence on the team selection….


  6. Hello David…..

    Th word ‘with’ should be inserted after MUFC
    Apologies for this


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